Science Is A Liar Sometimes… And This Is Why ‘Science-Based’ Natty ‘Experts’ Are The Strength World’s ISIS And Should Die Screaming

I first published this last year, but seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. As such, I updated it, re-edited it, and republished it (still porn free for sharing) in case you guys wanted to rebut these fucktards all over social media spewing their bile about how anyone who doesn’t use gear has hard limit on their growth, and gives “guidelines for reasonable expectations.” Fuck being reasonable, for one, and fuck them for snowing people with bad science, shitty sample sizes, and outright fucking lies, for another.

Stanislaus Zbyszko and his allegedly-impossible-for-a-natty-lifter 20.5″ arms.

“No matter what the future brings, man’s capacity to rise to the occasion will remain unaltered. His potential for tenacity and optimism continues, as always, to outfight, outpoint, and outlive any and all changes by his society.”

– Richard Matheson, “Steel”

It will shock absolutely no one that I regard empirically-influenced training methods as worthless, but this is absolutely not the case.  I don’t consider training methodology based on clinical studies to be worthless- I think that the vast majority of the people promoting those methods are charlatans and liars (with one prominent exception being Greg Nuckols, who just seems to have abandoned what worked for him and adopted a training system born out of a love of boredom and zero faith in the human spirit), and their training methodologies are catastrophically detrimental to the strength training culture as a whole.  The people who promote those theories- and yes, they are theories, not fact, and are heavily flawed theories at that- are at best delusional, and at worst literal enemies of the strength training state who should die screaming and choking on their own blood.  They’ve sucked the heart and mind out of strength sports and replaced it with vapid adherence to milquetoast methods that produce dogshit results.

This… is Aristotle. Thought to be the smartest man on the planet. He believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, and everybody believed him, because he was so smart. Until another smartest guy came around, Galileo, and he disproved that theory, making Aristotle and everybody else on Earth look like a… bitch. ‘Course, Galileo then thought comets were an optical illusion, and there was no way that the moon could cause the ocean’s tides. Everybody believed that because he was so smart. He was also wrong, making him and everyone else on Earth look like a bitch again. And then, best of all… Sir Isaac Newton gets born, and blows everybody’s nips off with his big brains. ‘Course, he also thought he could turn metal into gold, and died eating mercury, making him yet another stupid… bitch!

My abject, virulent, and violent hatred for these pseudo-intellectual fuckwits will likely drive this article into a series, but as it stands, I am planning but one death stroke to their grotesque attempts to limit lifters and reduce them to the wildly pompous yet insanely unimpressive jitbags endlessly yammering about the supremacy of their methods online that they currently are.  In death ground you fight, and this fight will be brutal, bloody, and easy.

Anything you have read about your natural physical limit regarding muscle mass is not only a lie- it is a very specific and pointed effort to limit your growth by means of propaganda, though to what end I can only guess. Perhaps its to excuse their own shortcomings, but more likely it’s to limit yours so they don’t look so pathetic by comparison, and so that their training programs aren’t outed for being the useless piles of overpriced trash that they are.  Whatever their reasoning, they would disagree about as wholeheartedly with Matheson’s sentiments as fifteen year old Redditors would with me about the utility and awesomeness of fetish porn in my articles.

We could all learn a thing or two from the morally superior and super-strong posters of Reddit.  As such, there will be no porn in this post. Feel free to let Reddit know what you think of their opinions on the subject in the comments, or in r/weightroom over in that window to their parents’ basements Reddit is.

I am aware that few of you share this sentiment- surely the dissembling shitbirds I am about to destroy are held aloft as veritable saints in your eyes.  Certainly, they don’t curse or include porn in his articles. They are paragons of virtue who haven’t sunk into the moral morass in which I dwell. As such, you believe that what they say must be more credible than my far better reasoned, well researched, and historically validated statements because mine are far too interesting, and theirs are stated in PG verbiage with the conviction of a saint speaking about Jesus the corpse god.   And because “systems of mass faith can persist only if their followers have a strong need to believe in the authoritative promises and remain ignorant of contradictory facts,” you must invalidate my convincing yet unconventional arguments because your imaginary universe would come crashing down were you to consider alternative viewpoints (Huesemann 154).

“Systems of mass faith are also strengthened by invoking the authority of their leaders….  The authority of the pope is derived directly from St. Peter, and this authority is passed down through the church hierarchy to cardinals, bishops and priests.  In addition, for hundreds of years, the clergy conducted weekly masses in Latin, a language that was generally not understood by the public. This “language barrier” served as a tool for establishing authority and for keeping believers mystified, thereby limiting comprehension and avoiding critical analysis.  Similarly, scientists often appear on the media to authoritatively communicate their findings and promises, largely in a language not understandable to the scientifically illiterate which, unfortunately, is most of the public” (Huesemann 153).

“‘People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something,’ and this is often exploited by those in power.  The average person today is probably as credulous as the average person in the Middle Ages.  As Neil Postman writes, referring to comments made earlier by Georger Bernard Shaw, ‘In the Middle Ages, people believed in the authority of their religion, no matter what.  Today, we believe in the authority of our science, no matter what.’ Such a high degree of gullibility is generally associated with an unwillingness or inability to be informed about all of the relevant acts in support of or in opposition to the particular belief system”  [Emphasis mine] (Huesemann 154).

In other words- wake the fuck up and pay attention to the facts that are about to be presented. Failing to do so simply displays your laziness and stupidity to the world.

Before I launch headlong into the evisceration of the bullshit “science” behind the dripping pussydom of the “natty or not” shitbirds, “evidence based training” fuckwits, and basically every other pompous fucking know-nothing on the Internet, allow me to forestall the inevitable “those body fat percentages are vastly overestimated/ wrong/ bullshit/ whatever the fuck Redditors love to say,” take a big step back and literally fuck your own face if you’ve plans to start that shit.

“Body composition assessments vary in precision and in the target tissue of interest. The most common assessments are anthropometric and include weight, stature, abdominal circumference, and skinfold measurements. More complex methods include bioelectrical impedance, dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry, body density, and total body water estimates. There is no single universally recommended method for body composition assessment in the obese, but each modality has benefits and drawbacks” (Duren).

To put it in layman’s terms for the less than astute, that means that for insanely muscular people, there is no single reliable test of bodyfat unless you’re a corpse.  If you doubt me, feel free to read that study- it’s in the “Sources” at the bottom of the page.

Leroy Colbert, rocking “impossible” 21″ arms and an FFMI (fat free mass index) of 28.63.

If you google genetic limits for a natural lifter, you would immediately be confronted with a great deal of discussion over the FFMI of various lifters, using it to confirm or deny the “natty” status of various bodybuilders.  The FFMI is a scientific method used to support the unequivocally pseudoscientific chart by which lifters are determined to be steroid users or not.

Let me state that unequivocally- any person using this chart is a fucking liar, a charlatan, a thief, and a loser.  They should be stripped of whatever academic credentials they possess, have the shit kicked out of them, and should be left to roam the streets destitute and crippled.  Just as somatotyping, phrenology, and psychoanalysis are all examples of blatant and unrepentant pseudoscience, so is the use of FFMI to determine whether or not a lifter is natural.  I’d posit that due to the fact that these fuckers are charging people for advice that by virtue of the fact they’ve used this chart are wholly unqualified to give, they should be sued by anyone they’ve charged into lifelong poverty.

Bruno Sammartino, a man who rocked a 32.39 FFMI, 20″ arms, and a 565 competition bench, all natty as fuck.

The manner in which the FFMI is calculated is explained all over the place and I’ve no issue with the math.  It is the interpretation with which I have a problem, and it’s explained with this little chart:

FFMI Interpretation

18 – 19 = Average

20 – 21 = Above average

22 = Excellent

23 – 25 = Superior

26 – 27 = Considered suspicious but still attainable naturally

28 – 30 = Highly unlikely to be obtained naturally without steroid usage.

According to empirically based lifter and coach, Greg Nuckols, with whom I disagree on just about every conceivable topic and whom I’m lambasted for destroying the culture around lifting with the promotion of extremely dull training methods, this chart interpretation is based on a single, extremely flawed study from the 1990’s.  That study concluded that 25 was the normalized limit for FFMI in natty bros, and although various natty coaches have raised the bar slightly, they still begin their shit talking at or around an FFMI of 28 (Kouri).

Chuck Sipes, rocking a 570lb bench and natty as fuck 19.5″ arms (cold measurement) in stark defiance of “science.”

Like with all of the “evidence based” bullshit out there, the incredibly lazy, Anglo-centric, and close minded motherfuckers conducting their surveys of what is possible for natural trainees to achieve ignored literally the entirety of human history outside of an incredibly small sample of individuals who won a single bodybuilding contest in the early 1900’s.  This ignores the Indians, who have the longest running history of weight training in the world and who have produced some of the strongest humans outside of the modern era, the strongmen of the early 1900’s, sumo wrestlers, and ACTUAL FUCKING SCIENTISTS. I don’t give a fuck who’s “scientific model” you might be using, be it that shit-talking autist Lyle McDonald or Casey Butts and his ridiculous, byzantine calculations that “adjust” results so they fit his idiotic model- they’re all based on lies, bullshit, and ignorance of physical culture history, world history, and Pubmed.

To wit, here is some historical evidence:

One of the greatest Yokuzuna, and certainly the most muscular of all time- Chiyonofuji Mitsugu.

Sumo is practically a religious event in Japan, and its traditions are deeply rooted in Shinto.  As such, steroid use is literal heresy and a violation of an honor code so strict it makes WADA seem like a pack of disinterested chemists rather than the psychotic Warhammer 40k style inquisitors and commissars they really are.  As such, we can take it as a virtual certainty that the Yokozuna are natty, and their FFMI are off the fucking charts.

If WADA’s Inquisitors looked like Inquisitor Lilith, I might compete in the IPF… just for the whipping.

And before Reddit starts screeching bullshit about the bodyfat percentages, everyone should take note- the mean bodyfat percentages in one sumo study was 26.1% (Kondo) and another source stated that among “the top sumo wrestlers the average BMI is 36.5 and the body fat percentage is 30%.”

Still unconvinced that the sumos’ bodyfat is that low? Well, where WADA chases our athletes from glen to dale screeching about the caffeine content of their coffee and demanding that athletes give minute-by-minute accounting of their whereabouts, the sumo association actually looks after their athletes’ health- they issue a warning to wrestlers who have tested over 38 percent body fat to keep those portly fucks from dropping dead of a coronary on the mat. If they go above 38 percent body fat they are forced to lose weight or risk suspension (Neporent 107-108).  

The reason they look so fat is their fat distribution- whereas most people have 77% of their fat stored viscerally (around the internal organs) and only 23% subcutaneously, sumo are the exact opposite- visceral fat is only 25% of their bodyfat and the rest is subcutaneous. The reason for this fat distribution is partially genetic and partially diet and exercise, but in the end the effect is that sumo “wrestlers lay down subcutaneous fat that doesn’t inhibit muscle development and which can be more easily accessed for energy use” (Hooper).  Researchers credit this to the fact that sumo are heavily active and eat very little sugar, whereas Westerners are just a bunch of candy-grubbing slobs with malfunctioning endocrine systems (Matsuzawa).

If you still think they’re all just fat fucks with no muscle?  Here’s Ulambayar Byambajav, going full Kingpin on a 420lb opponent and practically slamming him through the mat.

That said, here are some prominent Yokozuna, their stats, their body fat percentage or an estimate, and their FFMIs:

Ulambayar Byambajav– 6’1″ 365lbs. 15% BF (reported): FFMI- 41.02

Chiyonofuji Mitsugu– 6′ 260-280lbs.  BF 11%. FFMI- 31.45

Kitanoumi Toshimitsu– 5′10″ 373lbs. Est fat 35%.  FFMI- 34.86

As I’ve written in the past, India has the longest history of strength training in the world.  I realize that would shock the aforementioned autist and his fellow idiots, but it’s a fact.  As such, the Indians have a codified system of training that persists even today and has produced some of the greatest wrestlers (pehlwani) to walk the Earth.

Here are a couple of the greats:

Jatinder “Gobar” Charan Goho– 6’1″ 290lbs. Est 20%. FFMI- 30.67

Dara Singh– 6’2″ 280lbs. Est 15%. FFMI- 30.62 Est 18% FFMI- 29.54

Great Gama– 5’7″ 250lbs. Est 20%. FFMI- 31.39 Est 25% FFMI- 29.43

Hack, being jacked.

The West hasn’t simply churned out pump and pose-style bodybuilders- we’ve got our fair share of strength beasts to match the Asians.  Here are a few of our monstrous natty bros:

Louis Cyr– 5’8.5″ 291lbs.  Est 30% FFMI- 30.59

George Hackenschmidt– 5’9 218lbs.  Est 12% FFMI- 28.39

Stanislaus Zbyszko– 5’8″ 230lbs.  Est 18% FFMI-  28.74

Chuck Sipes– 5’9.5″ 220lbs.  Est 8% FFMI 29.52

Oh, and as for the bullshit limits on the measurements of natty bros?

“Looking at the stats of these 3 legendary naturals, several important points stand out. The first thing we notice is that even with slightly higher body fat percentages than modern natural bodybuilders, these champions could not push beyond the 18 inch arm barrier. The second thing we notice is that 25 inch quads were a championship-level norm” (Shaw).

A bold claim, considering the actual historical record says otherwise, and the first Natural Mr. Olympia, John Hansen, had 19″ arms and 27″ thighs.  Cyr’s arms were 20-21.5″, Hack’s were 19″ cold. Sipes’ were 19.5″ cold, and Zybszko’s were 20.5″.  Your guess is as good as mine as to why these pussies are setting your natural limits so insanely low, but one thing is for certain- it’s absolutely not science.  Know why? Because science says this:

“If limitations exist in skeletal dimensions, fat-free mass (FFM) might have an upper limit. To explore the upper limit to FFM, 37 professional Japanese Sumo wrestlers, 14 highly trained bodybuilders, and 26 untrained men were investigated for body composition (fat mass and FFM) and cross-sectional areas (CSA) of limb muscles, by hydrodensitometry and ultrasound, respectively. Mean % fat of Sumo wrestlers, bodybuilders, and untrained subjects were, respectively, 26.1%, 10.9%, and 12.1%. Sumo wrestlers had a significantly greater FFM than bodybuilders, who had a greater FFM than the untrained men. Six of the wrestlers had more than 100 kg of FFM, including the largest one of 121.3 kg (stature: 186 cm, mass: 181 kg, %fat: 33.0%). The FFM/stature ratio of elite Sumo wrestlers averaged at 0.61 kg/cm, with the highest 0.66 kg/cm. It is suggested that a FFM/stature ratio of 0.7 kg/cm may be an upper limit in humans” (Kondo).

This means Flex Lewis is a long way off from his natty genetic limit.

To clarify, that means that at 5’5′, my natural limit for fat free mass is 254lbs.  Put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it, natty fuckers.  And if you didn’t like that study because it involved too many non-Americans, how about this less exciting result?

“SM [skeletal mass] index may be a valuable indicator for determining skeletal muscle mass in athletes. A SM index of approximately 17 kg/m2 may serve as the potential upper limit in humans” (Abe).

There is no exact method of which I know to perfectly reconcile skeletal mass and fat free mass, but the largest athlete in the study was listed as having 59.3kg SM and 120.2kg FFM.  As such, my maximum SM (17kg*1.68^2) of 47.98kg (105.6lbs) SM would correspond to around 97.25kg FFM (214lbs).  So where the pink bitch pickpockets masquerading as experts on your natural limits had my limit at 135lbs (an amount of lean mass that I exceeded as a junior in college with very little in the way of supplementation), real scientists say my muscular limit is between 80 and 120lbs more than that.

22 year old Christian Wilkins- 310lbs, 4.80 in the 40-yard dash, can bench press 225 pounds for 31 reps, and can broad jump 9 feet… and he’s tested so heavily he can’t even have a Red Bull and a Diet Coke back to back before a fucking game.

Compounding that, a small study done in 2017 on collegiate football players showed their highest recorded drug-tested FFMI reading as 31.7, which indicates that it is possible to hit such an FFMI while still under the legal age to drink in the US.  Given that male strength athletes seem to peak in their late 30s to early 40s, that leaves a tremendous amount of time during which that FFMI could be pushed far higher. In short- the charts you know and love are complete and utter horseshit, the people bandying them about are a fucking joke, and if you run into one of them in public, spitting on them or shitting in their cereal would be completely appropriate.

“And what are the achievements of your fragile Imperium? It is a corpse rotting slowly from within while maggots writhe in its belly. It was built with the toil of heroes and giants, and now it is inhabited by frightened weaklings to whom the glories of those times are half-forgotten legends. I have forgotten nothing and my wisdom has expanded far beyond mere mortal frailties.”

By now, you should be convinced that the natty limits drilled into your heads are pure bullshit, and setting a limit on your growth is counter-productive in any event.  With any luck, you will have been inspired by this to crack open your fridge and start emptying its contents into your stomach for the gains.

When you do, bear in mind the following:

  • You will gain mostly muscle on a dirty bulk if you are lean and have been for some time, whereas the fatties will gain mostly fat.  “In experiments of at least 3-weeks’ duration, the weight gain of people with low bodyfat people comprises 60-70% lean tissues, whereas in the obese it is 30-40%” (Forbes).  Thus, it’d stand to reason to get lean and stay that way for a while before you dirty bulk like a motherfucker.
  • People who are naturally predisposed to endurance events will have a harder time gaining muscle than people naturally predisposed to strength and size, though the latter will gain more fat as well (Schuler).
  • Sumo wrestlers train twice a day, six days a week.  Drop that stupid fucking Smolov bullshit and actually challenge yourself while you’re bulking.  Also, it might be useful when bulking to eat huge meals twice or there times a day- sumo only eat twice a day.

So there you have it- not only are the natural genetic limits to muscular growth insignificant for discussion anywhere (let alone a pack of fucking know-nothings on the Internet), the people propagating that bullshit should be drug out into the street and shot, because your genetic limit is so goddamned high that discussion on it is utterly pointless.  Therefore, a pox upon the children of the science-tastic shitbirds of the lifting world (with concessions to Nuckols for being sensible if hyper-conservative and promoting lifting a Soviet factory work rather than a good fucking time), and three cheers for our muscular futures- we’ve got a fuckload of eating and growing to do.

It’s not technically porn.

Sources:

Abe T, Buckner SL, Dankel SJ, Jessee MB, Mattocks KT, Mouser JG, Loenneke JP.  Skeletal muscle mass in human athletes: What is the upper limit? Am J Hum Biol. 2018 May;30(3):e23102.

Duren DL, Sherwood RJ, Czerwinski SA, Lee M, Choh AC, Siervogel RM, Cameron Chumlea W.  Body composition methods: comparisons and interpretation. J Diabetes Sci Technol. 2008 Nov;2(6):1139-46.

Forbes GB.  Body fat content influences the body composition response to nutrition and exercise.  Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2000 May;904:359-65.

Hooper, Rowan.  The gene that may benefit sumo giants.  The Japan Times. 20 Aug 2016. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/08/20/national/science-health/gene-may-benefit-sumo-giants/

Huesemann, Michael and Joyce Huesemann.  Techno-Fix: Why Technology Won’t Save Us or the Environment.  Gabriola Island: New Society Publishers, 2011.

Kondo M, Abe T, Ikegawa S, Kawakami Y, Fukunaga T.  Upper limit of fat-free mass in humans: A study on Japanese Sumo wrestlers.  Am J Hum Biol. 1994;6(5):613-618.

Kouri EM, Pope HG Jr, Katz DL, Oliva P.   Fat-free mass index in users and nonusers of anabolic-androgenic steroids.  Clin J Sport Med. 1995 Oct;5(4):223-8.

Kucharski, Adam.  Patterns and proofs.  The Conversation. 19 Aug 2013.

Web.  17 Jun 2018.  http://theconversation.com/keep-it-simple-stupid-maths-doesnt-have-to-be-complex-16909

Matsuzawa Y, Shimomura I, Nakamura T, Keno Y, Kotani K, Tokunaga K.  Pathophysiology and pathogenesis of visceral fat obesity. Obes Res. 1995 Sep;3 Suppl 2:187S-194S.

Neporent, Liz and Suzanne Schlosberg.  The Fat-Free Truth.  Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2005.

Schuler, Lou.  What’s the most muscle you can gain?  Men’s Health. 7 Nov 2015. Web. 12 Jun 2018.  https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19515623/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/

Shaw, Steve.  Natural muscle building: a look at potential, genetics, and arm size.  Muscle and Strength. 23 Oct 2013. Web. 15 Jun 2018. https://www.muscleandstrength.com/expert-guides/bodybuilding-genetics

Tara, Sylvia.  Yes, sumo wrestlers are obese- but are they unhealthy? Medium.  30 Sep 2016. Web. 15 Jun 2018. https://medium.com/@SylviaTaraPhD/by-any-standard-the-sumo-wrestler-would-be-considered-obese-596defe012a9

Trexler ET, Smith-Ryan AE, Blue MNM, Schumacher RM, Mayhew JL, Mann JB, Ivey PA, Hirsch KR, Mock MG.  Fat-Free Mass Index in NCAA Division I and II Collegiate American Football Players. J Strength Cond Res. 2017 Oct;31(10):2719-2727.

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2 responses to “Science Is A Liar Sometimes… And This Is Why ‘Science-Based’ Natty ‘Experts’ Are The Strength World’s ISIS And Should Die Screaming”

  1. Ant Pace Avatar
    Ant Pace

    Not sure what to think of this. You quote “28 – 30 = Highly unlikely to be obtained naturally without steroid usage.” and then you quite some really exceptional cases like
    “Louis Cyr– 5’8.5″ 291lbs. Est 30% FFMI- 30.59
    George Hackenschmidt– 5’9 218lbs. Est 12% FFMI- 28.39
    Stanislaus Zbyszko– 5’8″ 230lbs. Est 18% FFMI- 28.74
    Chuck Sipes– 5’9.5″ 220lbs. Est 8% FFMI 29.52”
    which essentially illustrates the point that getting to 30 is “highly unlikely”
    Just like I will say to people here, you think that you are going to become a billionaire and beyond because of your incredible individual talents, will, skills, luck…fuck that fantasy and embrace Marxism.
    Now, there is a remote possibility someone will become a billionaire, equally someone here might naturally surpass Chuck and the rest, but like the original quote said “highly unlikely”.
    Highly unlikely, even 99.9% chances against, does not add up to absolutely impossible. good science is very reticent with absolutes. For example, I think there is a small possibility Trump and his climate change denial is true. I would not say that was a basis for a course of action.
    What does it mean in the end? Well firstly if you are going to take drugs, and enough drugs to get to the top of the iron games, you are unlikely to be so dumb as not to realise you stand a very good chance of fucking yourself up more than Thatcher fucked up the UK working class, which is a lot of fucked up. But likely you will remain a nobody who has less self esteem.
    If you are going to stay natty, which I recommend, then just go for it, keep trying and pursue it over the decades, don’t worry about some magic final destination.
    If you are going to take drugs and pose as a natty, well, it’s your call, hopefully it brings you some monetary reward, because I cannot see what else it brings.

  2. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Fucking right!!

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