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Soy is the Devil, And Not in A Fun Way, 22 1/2
“An upsurge in the number of male fish growing female reproductive parts is sounding an alarm bell for the dangers of pollutants and estrogen-like compounds in U.S. rivers, where millions of Americans get their drinking water, environmental experts say.
A recent survey of bass in the Potomac River, a major tributary in the nation’s capital, found almost 100 percent of the smallmouth bass species were feminized, or had eggs in their testes. In largemouth bass the incidence of feminization was lower, but still highly prevalent.
“In one lake,” he explains, “they treated it with the pharmaceutical that’s in most birth control, in a concentration of six parts per trillion — similar to what we often see in wastewater effluent, although Boulder’s wasn’t quite that high. They treated it for three years in that concentration, and within two years, they’d virtually wiped the fish out of this lake, because the females couldn’t make eggs, and the males were so busy making female protein that they weren’t making any sperm.”
“Diets were isoenergetic, with either 150 g lean meat or 290g tofu daily providing an equivalent amount of macronutrients, with only the source of protein differing between the two diets. Each diet lasted for 4 weeks, with a 2-week interval between interventions. Blood concentrations of sex hormones did not differ after the two diets, but the mean testosterone:oestradiol value was 10 % higher after the meat diet. SHBG was 3 % higher; whereas the FAI was 7 % lower; after the tofu diet compared with the meat diet. There was a significant correlation between the difference in SHBG and testosterone:oestradiol and weight change” (Habito et al).
Habito RC, Montalto J, Leslie E, Ball M. “Effects of replacing meat with soyabean in the diet on sex hormone concentrations in healthy adult males.” Br J Nutr 2000 Oct;84(4):557-63.
Dell’amore, C. Growing Concern Over Estrogen-Like Compounds In US Rivers: The American lifestyle of materialism has left an indelible impression on U.S. waterways, and no one knows the exact repercussions. Washington (UPI) Oct 18, 2006
CHIEN HL, HUANG HY, CHOU CC. Transformation of isoflavone phytoestrogens during the fermentation of soymilk with lactic acid bacteria and bifidobacteria. Food Microbio; 2006: 23(8) 772-778.
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44 responses to “Soy is the Devil, And Not in A Fun Way, 22 1/2”
Growing up I ate too much soy, but given that I was essentially born a nails eating psycho, I'm fine these days.
also, +1 hackneyed. I know you hate it.
Thanks for this article. I always thought Derek Poundstone was full of shit about his claims of eating so much soy, but now it all makes sense. Soy pisses me off.
Thank you for a good article. I've shied away from soy since a buddy of mine started crying during a Hallmark commercial when he was doing a high soy diet. Fucking vegetarians.
Nice write-up, Jaime.
I try to stay away from soy, soy products, and any foods high in soy or that have soy listed as one of their primary ingredients. Also I try to keep my regular protein diet as high as I can.
Results in the gym don't lie.
Goddamn it, is that Asian broad even legal?
"In largemouth bass the incidence of feminization was lower, but still highly prevalent."
Good thing I've got a big mouth.
I wonder what kind of an effect female ejaculate has compared to urine. That's kind of like getting a face full of piss. And I've never tasted piss before but I can only assume that cum tastes better. Makes a fucking mess of the bed though. It helps to put a towel under her ass. Keeping baby wipes by the bed is good too.
Have you ever noticed that people seem to instinctively know what piss tastes like? Like whenever you trick somebody into drinking a beer bottle full of piss they all have the same reaction.
*SPIT*
"What the fuck is that, piss?!"
Fucking funny every time.
Reading this blog makes all of my friends who are vegetarians annoy me more at a progressive rate.
Fuck your vegetarian friends.
Fuck Hippies, Fuck Soy…Fuck Hippies.
Agreed.
I find that man-tits picture offensive in every possible way.
Seriously, I think it's going to haunt me.
Scust.
My thinking is that even if the science isn't conclusive, I don't need soy in my diet. On top of that, I like meat. So I'm happy to avoid soy and, ten years down the line, be pleasantly surprised when it's finally shown to truly be the devil.
Glen-
Squirt tastes a bit different, and somehow manages to wick all of the moisture out of your mouth. If you think it's a mess- get a chick to squirt while she's on the rag, hahahaha. Time to flip the mattress after that. No idea what the estrogen content on that is, but I'd like to be involved in that clinical study.
Soy is not just in your food, I went out to by some body wash to bring to the gym and didnt notice the giant Soy lettering. it body wash who really looks at the label. it had SOY as a main ingredient. waste of 3 dollars.
As well, i'm sure theres a million other products ive used where i didnt look at the label which may have contained soy.
what! bad news about the female yellow nectar dudes!
Going down the phytoestrogen path, we have: –
"Our study confirms that an ethanol extract of hops contains a significant amount of phytoestrogens with moderate estrogenic bioactivity." – http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/estrogenherb.html
Recent data shows that neither soy, nor soy isoflavones, exert estrogenic effects on vaginal or breast tissues in postmenopausal females. [Journal Clinical Endocrinology 84: 3479-84, 1999]
In monkeys, soy phytoestrogens reduced cholesterol but did not affect the reproductive hormones. [Journal Nutrition 126: 43-50, 1996] – That would lead me to make an incredibly crude leap towards them not interfering with the testes, or make men have moobs.
"Stephen Holt, MD, writing in Natural Pharmacy, has done the best job of sorting out information about soy… phytoestrogens in soy are far weaker than the potent synthetic or natural estrogens commonly prescribed to women for menopause symptoms." – http://www.mujeresholisticas.com/isoflavones-phytoestrogens.html
This isn't to say soy is a superfood, it isn't, and the promotion behind it is sickening; but unless you are eating meat from organicly raised animals fed/grazed on organic foods, you are going to be getting nasty stuff into your system : –
"More than 25% of the beef has been imported from the United States [3], where hormonal steroids including estradiol-17β have been implanted to cattle for growth promotion since the USA Food and Drug Administration approved the first steroid implant in 1956. In the USA, steroid implantation was carried out in 97% of beef cattle in 1999 [4], though the practice is still uncommon in Japan." – http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/content/20/9/1610.full
We're all fucked. Apart from me, I slaughter animals with my bare hands and I know what they have eaten.
What's the best pro hormone for an alcoholic. I average 6 to 8 drinks per day and have for the last 20 years. I'm not very strong – little over bodyweight clean and press – but do lift a lot. Perhaps just tribulus? I read somewhere it actually helps clean the liver; not sure if that's true or not. Thanks
I buy generic omega 3-6-9, is there alot of soy in that shit?
to alcoholic, 500mg of test and a 4 week run of dbol (ur livers fucked anyways).
There's a list here of foods that are high in phytoestrogens:
http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/phytoestrogen.php
Obviously flax, soy and tofu are right at the top with tens of thousands of micrograms per 100g but there's quite a few things on there towards the bottom that I eat very regularly such as olive oil, dried apricots, almonds (peanuts until recently), coffee. Multigrain bread has quite a lot. Is the content in these small enough not to matter or are they best avoided altogether?
There's no point in getting yourself into a panic about all of it- storing your food and drink in plastic is more estrogenic than olive oil.
That is also interesting to know.
is there any chance you could post a link to the Chien et al study about fermented soy not being bad? i eat a lot of tempeh and miso so id like to look into this a bit more
also, as far as the Habito study about replacing meat with soy, the increase in testosterone may have had more to do with the extra zinc in meat than from a negative effect from soy. id be curious to see what the results would have been had both groups been taking a ZMA supplement
Sorry- I just added that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16943081
Storing food is more estrogenic? Now i can see why Milo carried his steak around on his back!
I say fuck it. I'm outta here. I'm gonna go live out in the woods and kill Bambi for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
I've never gone down while she's on the rag. I'll ride the red river but I have yet to drink from it.
Communist.
Nate Green has not done a back squat in a year.
What does he know that we don't?!?!?1?
Being a massive douche can sell books?
He also hasn't grown since puberty…
So what do you drink if you can't drink milk ?
Water.
Do they sell that at GNC?
Heh, the advert at the bottom of the page is for menopause cream. Clearly targetted advertising doesn't always work very well.
Why are you guys hating on Nate Green? He can tell us bumbling retards of men how to not only get laid, but have a successful relationship and get jacked in the process.
Alright post. I enjoyed the Naked Gun reference in the title more.
so how do you carry water if not in plastic bottles Jamie?
Gourds made from the hides of flayed pec-fly enthusiasts.
Hahaha. I use hard plastic jugs, as there's no other convenient way to carry it, and they're less estrogenic than soft plastic.
Nice Post.
The man boobs picture will definitely haunt me. And I thought I had big boobs when I was fat. 🙂
I agree, there are too many studies concerning the negative health effects of soy, especially on men. Propaganda is what is spread, but studies show the truth.
Thanks for the post.
Ryan "The Fat Loss Informant"
Werd. It really comes down to who has a vested interest in spreading the propaganda. I'm a student of Eddie Bernays, so I feel comfortable discerning bullshit from fact.
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Who's that last chick?