When Your Body Basically Says, "Fuck You, Pay Me"- Sleep Deficits Are A Debt You've Gotta Pay

“Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning, huh? Fuck you, pay me.”

We all know that we need to sleep to grow- it’s what every dipshit screeches in a conversation wherein high volume training is *gasp* mentioned in a positive way, because “YOU GROW WHEN YOU REST, SO TRAINING MORE THAN THREE TIMES A WEEK MEANS STEROIDS AND EVIL AND MASTURBATION AND YOU PROBABLY HAVEN’T SEEN A REAL PENIS OR VAGINA RECENTLY.”  Yeah, that’s just a fantastic argument- by the logic of most geniuses slumping through their lives and posting endless training updates detailing their hilarious lack of progress, training once a month and eating exactly .8 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight should make you into a human mountain dripping with muscularity and vascularity.  Clearly, that’s all fucking nonsense, but the value of sleep is rarely given the credence it is actually due, and is never overstated.  I’m as guilty of ignoring its value as anyone, having grown up with such an allergy to sleep that my body had to lay low my spazzy elementary school ass with cluster headaches to force me to rest.

This guy was a fan of he blog and did the OG label for Ferox.  Somehow he missed my original article on the value of sleep, though, which should have indicated that facedown in the dumbbell rack is not an optimal place for napping.

We’ve all trained for long periods when over-tired.  That’s just part of life.  Something those among you who are chronically sleep deprived might not realize, however, is that your body and brain are exactly like Robert DeNiro in Goodfellas, and they’re gonna fuck you up if you don’t pay your debt.  Yeah, that’s right- you can skip sleep here and here, but eventually your body is gonna be like, “fuck you, pay me” at some point, and the longer you wait, the worse it is gonna get.  Inadequate sleep not only fucks up maximal muscle strength (Knowles), but it fucks up your overall health, your ability to concentrate, your overall level of alertness, your metabolism, your attitude, your pain threshold (Onen), and even your sex drive (Hillman, Leproult).  That’s right- you skip enough sleep and you’re going to turn into a fat pile of broke, libido-less, uncoordinated (Sprenger), retarded shit with nothing to do but sleep because you’ll be living in a van down by the river fueled by nothing but government cheese and free soup (Alhola).  Oh, yeah- the shitshow you create when you go without sleep is fucking epic (Orzeł-Gryglewska):

  • impaired perception
  • difficulties in keeping concentration
  • vision disturbances
  • slower reactions
  • poor memorizing
  • schematic thinking (which yields wrong decisions)
  • emotional disturbances (lie deteriorated interpersonal responses and increased aggressiveness)
  • tremors
  • speech performance becomes monotonous and unclear,
  • sensitivity to pain is higher
  • risk of obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular disease increases. 

Sounds awesome, right?  Here you thought you were a go-getter, but in the end you’ll just be sloppy, stupid, jobless, sexless, and probably addicted to subreddits that should only be used to as bait so we can determine who we should exterminate first when someone useful comes to power in the Western world. 

If frequency of erections is any indication of testosterone levels, my personal investigation into the use of supplemental t-girl porn to improve sleep quality and hormonal profiles indicates that t-girl porn might rival mattress quality as a lifting aid.

There’s no sense in me rehashing all of the different ways you can improve your sleep- I covered the badass way to improve your hormonal profile with deep sleep last year, how to make your overall sleep more healthy in this one from about ten years ago, and every hack writer on the planet has rehashed the same bullshit in every health-related sleep article ever written, so there’s no need for that.   Frankly, I only care about “health” and “fitness” insofar as they pertain to moving huge weights and fucking, so I pay very little attention to the ministrations of hippies who yammer on about vegetables and stretching about as much as I pay attention to evangelical Christians’ suggestions regarding better sex.  You’ll find, however, that a lot of the old time strongmen mentioned the value of sleep a lot, and for those of you natty bros who still read this blog, that should be a sign for you to perk the fuck up and pay attention.  One such man is JC Hise, pre-steroid era proto-powerlifter who boasted a 700lb deadlift without a warmup, squatted 690lbs out of a homemade rack built out of tree branches on uneven ground, and was a lumberjack, coal miner, and uranium prospector.  basically, a guy so fucking hard I doubt any of us even deserve to read about him.  He had this to say about sleep:

“A very important stage of growing is “rest.” Much of this precious custom is in sleeping. If his bed suits him not, even a plentiful supply of walrus meat will do a Briton no good. And exercises will only make him more tired still. Those who sleep curled up can sleep safely in beds that have deep sags in the center, which ruin all who sleep stretched to full length. If you sleep straight out, never, never sleep in a bed that sags deeply in the center, because your hips, shoulders and legs must be in the same plane. This “suspension” has a prying effect on the lower spine that is extremely debilitating and wears out a vigorous person more than any amount of hard  work or dissipation. An extremely large percentage of exercisers fail because their bed is wrong; they don’t need new secret exercises, they just need to kick a box under the bed to limit the bed sag to four or five inches, or less — and presto! — the next morning, and from then on, they are “hi-lifed,” even though they have been “dead” for years.

If one sleeps on the floor to escape the saggy bed, he must use very thick padding or he will sprain his deltoids and elbow tendons from resting too much weight on them. Most people who suffer from lack of energy really have plenty, but they are worn out from sleeping in that saggy bed every night. I never learned how to bed from print, but from the vulgar lessons delivered by old salts in hammock practice. A loose hammock equals a tired all-in feeling; I had always had it, and never slept in a hammock; I kicked the locker box under my cot, and have never since tried to sleep on a saggy bed” (Hise).

Frankly, I never even considered the fact that a saggy mattress could fuck up your lifts that significantly, but if a guy who was comfortable squatting close to 700 outdoors on uneven ground makes that big a deal about mattress quality, we should all pay attention.  A good mattress could do more for your squat and deadlift than whatever retarded cookie-cutter program you’ve considered buying for a couple of hundred bucks will ever do. 

How much sleep we should get in total and how much we should get at a time is an issue long in debate, especially among people on the internet.  The three types of sleep are monophasic (one sleep period per 24 hour period), biphasic (two sleep periods per 24 hour period), and polyphasic (continuous interrupted sleep).  In spite of he fact that you’d have to be butt-fucking retarded to utilize the polyphase method, here’s how it breaks down according to Medical News Today (Smith):

  • Everyman: A long sleep time of around 3 hours with approximately three 20-minute naps throughout the day.
  • Uberman: Only 3 hours of sleep per day in the form of six 30 minute naps throughout the day.
  • Dymaxion: Only 2 hours of sleep per day, in the form of 30 minute naps every 6 hours.

Without putting too fine a point on it, the people advocating polyphasic sleep should be put to death in some slow and painful way, like slow roasting and forced autophagy; the “death-by-tattoo” in Kafka’s “The Penal Colony;” or perhaps the staked-out-with-broken-bones-and-fed-to-bullet-ants method of execution in the Green Inferno.  Honestly, nothing is more cruel, insipid, or bereft of sense than polyphasic sleep, so whatever method you choose to dispatch a person who attempts to convince you of its efficacy isn’t unpleasant enough to match the casual malevolence of their efforts.  Let’s just say that their best argument is that it was possibly used by a megalomaniac and a virtual eunuch (which is literally the best evidence they have supporting their sleep pattern)- beyond that, there is no compelling evidence whatsoever to support its use by non-incel/MGTOW enthusiasts.  Thus, unless you’re gonna cut off your genitals, scream extremely confused homophobic and anti-Semitic slurs in the aether, and shoot up public places, stick to mono- or biphasic sleep schedules.

This meme came decades too late to save poor Bill Cosby.

How humans slept in the pre-industrial era is a matter of some debate.  There is evidence, both anecdotal and scientific, for both monophasic and biphasic sleep patterns.  According to historian Roger Ekirch, people in pre-industrial eras slept in two four hour chunks, between which they hung out and fucked and chopped wood and got hammered.  Essentially, they’d just get up in the middle of the night and do whatever the hell they wanted.  It was from his research that the concept of biphasic sleep sprang forth, and at least one clinical study (in which people were exposed to only eight ours of sunlight a day) supports the idea that this sleep pattern is natural (Jackson, Wehr).  If you’re considering this type of sleep pattern, what appears to be the norm is four hours of sleep, a one to three hour waking period, and then another four hours of sleep.

Chronic sleep deprivation (which is what polyphasic sleep induces) makes you insane.  Like this guy.

Monophasic sleep, in spite of Redditors’ persistent and wildly ineffectual efforts to debunk it, seems to be pretty natural for people.  A recently conducted study of three traditional/pre-industrial African societies, the San, Hadza, and Tsimane, revealed that their sleep habits are monophasic.  These habits are thought to mirror those of ancestral peoples (at least in tropical regions) and don’t resemble the nonsense yoga teachers have been spouting for years about falling asleep and waking based on the sunset and sunrise.  Instead, sleep has far more to do with the length of the day and the ambient temperature than anything else.

“Sleep periods, the times from onset to offset, averaged 6.9–8.5 hr, with sleep durations of 5.7–7.1 hr, amounts near the low end of those industrial societies [4–7]. There was a difference of nearly 1 hr between summer and winter sleep. Daily variation in sleep duration was strongly linked to time of onset, rather than offset. None of these groups began sleep near sunset, onset occurring, on average, 3.3 hr after sunset. Awakening was usually before sunrise. The sleep period consistently occurred during the nighttime period of falling environmental temperature, was not interrupted by extended periods of waking, and terminated, with vasoconstriction, near the nadir of daily ambient temperature. The daily cycle of temperature change, largely eliminated from modern sleep environments, may be a potent natural regulator of sleep. Light exposure was maximal in the morning and greatly decreased at noon, indicating that all three groups seek shade at midday and that light activation of the suprachiasmatic nucleus is maximal in the morning” (Yetish).

Pretend like that’s in your bed and get the fuck in it and off Instagram already.  No one gives a fuck about your three sets of whatever with some bullshit weight and the eleven thousand excuses you listed for not doing something epic, anyway.

Instead of suggesting that monophasic is the only way, the team doing the study determined that biphasic sleep isn’t unnatural- it’s just predated by monophasic sleep.  Moving north from the equator created the biphasic sleep pattern during the long nights, especially during the winter.  Once we developed electric lights and central heating, we reverted to our original sleep habits (Yong).

“The Hadza, Tsimane, and San were also strongly affected by falling temperature, much more so than failing light. They start to sleep as the night cools and begin waking up at its coldest point. “This suggests that temperature is a very strong and evolutionarily old signal that gets integrated into sleep-regulating systems in the brain, and that we could exploit better,” says van Someren. And as Siegel adds, “This temperature rhythm has been reduced or completely eliminated for most of us by our shelters and heating systems.”

No matter how you’re sleeping, however, these three things are the key to sleeping like a fucking champion (Yong):

  1. sleeping during declining temperature
  2. getting up at the same time of day every day
  3. exposing yourself to a lot of bright light in the morning.
Waking up extra early to train is like “stepping over a $100 bill to pick up a nickel.”  That’s an awesome adage from Stan Efferding.
If you’re not assiduously following either a full monophasic or full biphasic sleep schedule, you are fucking yourself up in all sorts of ways.  Luckily for you, however, getting only eight hours of recovery sleep after short-term sleep deprivation is enough to return to baseline performance levels (Caldwell).  While you won’t be back to optimal levels, you’ll be able to get the job done when it’s time to fight, fuck, or lift, rather showing up at an event a flaccid, fat retard.  Chronic sleep reduction or repetitive shallow sleep is cumulative, however, and will resemble drunkenness (just like going a day without sleeping) in short order (Orzeł-Gryglewska).  Luckily, your body is built to bounce back like an asshole after a hard fisting session, so getting a couple of extra hours of sleep for a couple of days will get you within shouting distance of full recovery even in cases of extreme sleep deprivation (Rosenthal).  Take note of that- for your body to get back to normal, you need not one but two days of recovery sleep.  Less than that and neither your physical nor mental recovery will be complete, and your recovery from heavy training sessions will be severely limited as well (Ikegami, McMurray).

A couple other little tidbits of note:

  • even short periods of sleep can be beneficial- specifically, a short afternoon nap (Vyazovskiy).  Author and trainer Jason Ferruggia stated in Fit to Fight that naps “are a great way to speed up your recovery.  During sleep, your body releases growth hormone and repairs the damage that has been done to your muscles during intense workouts.  A 20- to 60-minute nap once a s day is a great way to make faster progress.  If you ware training two to three times a day, as many combat athletes are (conditioning in the morning, practice in the afternoon, weight training at night), naps are an absolute necessity if you want to maximize your performance” (Ferruggia 188).
  • low testosterone can lead to shitty sleep.  Weirdly, high levels of exogenous testosterone can have similar effects (Wittert).
  • if you have sleep apnea and use a CPAP, the improved sleep will weirdly not resolve your testosterone deficiencies, so don’t use the darth Vader machine in hopes it’ll boost your test levels (Wittert)
  • if you are sleep deprived, caffeine supplementation will bring your post workout hormone levels to non-sleep deprived states.  Thus, if you’re not getting enough sleep, don’t skimp on the fat burners and preworkouts, or a post workout cup of coffee (Donald).
If that torrent of information didn’t convince you to catch up on your fucking sleep, nothing will.  Caffeine and ephedrine will only carry you so far- at some point you’ve gotta stop eating cake and eat a steak, so to speak.  I’ll be honest and tell you I knock myself the fuck out with Hypnos and binaural beats as I mentioned at the beginning of the article a couple of times a week, and when I don’t I my training suffers for it.  Like anything else though, there are tons of ways to skin a cat, but since Bill Cosby’s gonna be locked up until he dies, sleepovers at his house are no longer an option.  In any event, get some fucking sleep if you wanna tear up the strength world and look good on Instagram without filters.  

[For more on the importance of sleep, check out Joe Rogan’s interview with Matthew Walker, professor of Neuroscience and psychology at Cal Berkeley on the Joe Rogan Experience.  I stumbled across this while doing research last week and thought the timing sucked for me, haha, but from the bit to which I listened, I don’t step on his focus in the interview too hard.  If I did, the shit was totally unintentional and the timing was entirely coincidental.  In any event, props to Rogan for a good interview- we definitely need to revamp the medical residency programs around the world so they aren’t based off the sleep habits of a dude who makes Tara Reid’s drug habit look ridiculously casual.] 

This broad’s drug habit looks like she’s fucking straightedge compared to that of the founding father of modern surgery.  Cocaine is a hell of a drug.  
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27 responses to “When Your Body Basically Says, "Fuck You, Pay Me"- Sleep Deficits Are A Debt You've Gotta Pay”

  1. Juan Rubio Campos Avatar

    Brutal article!

    Do you think that exist a relation between the hour that you go to sleep and you level of rest?
    Or it is just the time that you sleep?

    I find, that if i am sleeping at 22:00 pm, at 6:00-7:00 am im ready to do anything, and i am extremely motivated to do shit, but if a go to bed at 3-4 am… well i am fucked, no matter the number of hours that i sleep.

    Thanks for the article!

    Juan

    1. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      The research seems to suggest that it's the time at which you wake that is the big deal, rather than the time you go to sleep.

  2. steve sutton Avatar

    OK coach, lots of sleep. No criticism of that.
    Maybe mention chamomile tea at bedtime. Phenibut now and again?

    1. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      The main ingredient in Hypnos is phenibut, so i use it quite a bit. I don't know anything about teas and don't know any old ladies I could ask

    2. steve sutton Avatar

      I have taken phenibut several times and I am not sure what it is, it stimulates, it facilitates socialising, but also allows sleep. I like it if I dose it properly. But, do you tell people there are issues with addiction? A once a week regime is the most I will venture with it.

  3. Sally Poynter Avatar

    Steroids, etc

    1. steve sutton Avatar

      Although I generally back you on your crusade against roided up bullshit, on this occasion I think it may not be the appropriate comment. But if you are responding to the chamomile and phenibut suggestions, fair enough. I don't think phenibut is 100% healthy and it seems that some have succumbed to addiction. But all in all it seems safe and adds a little something to the grey, meaningless proletarian condition of production of surplus value for the capitalist class…gotta get that Marxism in and let's hear it for gender equality, my darling Sally, while we wander off topic…love is in the air…

    2. Sally Poynter Avatar

      You wouldn't want anything love related to do with me, unless you're into hairy arses.

    3. steve sutton Avatar

      Let's leave our love in the air, out of the hairy arses.

  4. Sally Poynter Avatar

    By the way, were you tired when you wrote this? It's full of typos.

    1. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      Are you referring to the weird shit that randomly jumped in there with HTML? I've no idea what the fuck happened there.

    2. Sally Poynter Avatar

      Yes, but also things like this –

      "AND YOU PROBABLY A REAL PENIS OR VAGINA RECENTLY"

      ?

    3. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      Fixed. The fucking thing took so long to write my editing skills took a shit on me. I don't read word for word- I read in chunks and fill in the blanks. No idea why, but it's natural speedreading.

  5. Pap Adrian Avatar

    Quick question for Jamie or anybody that happens to know: are you supposed to remember the lucid dreams? I have no problem falling asleep quickly and my sleep is pretty deep most of the time, but I can't remember shit after I wake up except on rare occasions. Always been like this. I can't figure out if this counts as quality sleep.

    1. Anthony T Avatar

      Ask Google.

  6. Anthony T Avatar

    Fuck Jamie it's only 5 months in to 2018 and you already 18 blog posts in, where as all of last year you got out 14 posts. Your living by your words 20hateen. I appreciate what you do here. For sleep I always did 400mgs of magnesium to relax me or take 100 mg of progesterone.when a us soldiers are given progesterone when they get shot in the face to relax them… Good shit Jamie. PS fuck you rant you English prick

    1. Kellogg Avatar

      It's not the number of posts that matters, it's the volume of tranny porn.

    2. Ferrote Avatar

      Good point, there.

    3. Sally Poynter Avatar

      "progesterone.when a us soldiers are given progesterone when they get shot in the face"

      Err……what?! Fucking retard.

    4. John Treadwell Avatar

      @Anthony T. So near as I'm aware, progesterone is pretty much the female version of testosterone. Their ovaries produce it, and it basically has the opposite effects of estrogen. With all that in mind, what good does it do for a man, exactly? Other than possibly reducing estrogen like it apparently does in women, I guess. Also how would it help you sleep?

    5. Sally Poynter Avatar

      David Goggins, etc

    6. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      Yeah man- I'm ding my level best to fucking crush it.

      As to the progesterone comment, it's a precursor to test. I mentioned that men with low test have trouble sleeping, and raising their test levels to high normal levels helps them to sleep. You'd probably be better off with test- as I recall women use progesterone cream on their tits to make them grow.

  7. Analease Avatar

    If you haven’t already, you should check out the Joe Rogan episode with Matthew Walker. Goes over sleep and the consequences of not getting enough

    1. Jamie Lewis Avatar

      I mentioned that at the end of the article.

  8. Brute Simplicity Avatar

    Anybody got the name of that tranny (it’s for a friend)?

  9. steve sutton Avatar

    Magnesium (mentioned above) is a good idea for sleep and in general as many are deficient, our over used soil is depleted. BUT, the cheap magnesium oxide is not much good. I researched a bit and ended up with magnesium chloride, partly based on ebay price…for your delight and edification, I present to you for a modest communist fee..MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE
    for Health & Rejuvenation
    by Walter Last
    Magnesium is nothing short of a miracle mineral in its healing effect on a wide range of diseases as well as in its ability to rejuvenate the aging body. We know that it is essential for many enzyme reactions, especially in regard to cellular energy production, for the health of the brain and nervous system and also for healthy teeth and bones. However, it may come as a surprise that in the form of magnesium chloride it is also an impressive infection fighter.

    More if you can stand it
    http://health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html

  10. steve sutton Avatar

    Randomish comments re sleep.
    Hate to say this but the preworkouts are a negative re sleep. Take a few days off them and you will go through withdrawals and then get a much better sleep quality. I just listened to Jason Blaha's latest and he talks about the issue. I am still willing to say preworkouts have a place, but should be used strategically rather than constantly. Even Eric Boggiewoogie in his latest piece talks about his concern that he is overdoing the caffeine… Anyway, constant stimulant use undermines their impact and your health, speeds up ageing etc. Lets face it, the preworkout stims work and are milder versions of the potent amphetamines and cocaine type drugs. Thinking about it, it is probably ideal not to use them at all, but if you make a concession to your human frailty, do so within limits.
    A thought I have aired a few times so I wont expand much is a two weeks hard one week easy regime, and you can save the stimulants for the latter half of the hard phase. You could possibly just do 1 week of three on stimulants.
    I know this sounds like your dad, or the resident no fun Marxist accountant, but fuck me, life is not so simple and you cant live on desserts…
    The classic stimulants during the day, downers at night is a path to nowhere good, least of all over the rainbow as Judy Garland, a famous advocate of the regime, sang…
    and just to put the last nail in the popularity coffin…overreaching, overdoing it, can result in some weird sleep disturbances. Again, I suggest that if you are to follow the path of excess to the temple of wisdom, you intersperse it with easier periods…again my 2/1 concept…I think Pavel said a peak must have troughs.
    I can tell when I am pushing too hard (for my present level)…I cannot stay awake in the evening, end up awake half the night…

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